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Igloo Girl
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05/22/16 07:53 PM
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As an Industrial Designer, who did a four year bachelor course nearly 20 years ago, it is my opinion that the above explanation isn't correct.
Firstly, an Industrial Designer is qualified to work as a Design Engineer. A Design Engineer may also work as an Industrial Designer. Both courses are so remarkably similar that Universities don't commonly offer both, but only offer one or the other. The handful of Universities that offer both, do so for marketing reasons and/or to provide a shorter degree course option (eg; one will be three years and the other four years). This is similar to the medical field (using the above analogy). Where degrees with different names imply different courses, but are actually all the same when you get down to the details - medical science, nursing, physio, sports medicine. Many of those courses share nearly identical units, they might adjust the order the classes are completed, but in the end they're more similar than different. Offering lots of courses boosts University intake and makes students feel catered too. Different 'degrees' might cost different amounts, even though the course is the same.
If an Industrial Designer lacks the skills to design for manufacture (designing with correct tolerances, gradients, materials and so on) then they are simply not very good at their job. The purpose of the degree/job is to design for manufacture. If they can't do that, well, they should receive further training on the job.
This issue has occurred because many Art School based design courses neglect the technical aspects of the Industrial Design course. Many of them focus on the aesthetics of products. These universities usually have excellent creative programs and can produce interesting looking designs. Is this the future of Industrial Design? All style, but no technical knowledge?
I learned at a technical University (I won't name it) where we were taught the relevant engineering of manufacturing processes by engineers and workshop technicians. We had engineering exams and every single design was critiqued and graded by a team including an engineer.
However, many aspects of designing for manufacture are best learned on the job. You don't truly understand mistakes until you make them.

Austin Stark
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09/04/16 02:28 PM
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I have a bachelor’s degree in Mechanical Engineering and a masters in Industrial Design. In engineering school students are not really taught how to design products. Engineering students are taught a lot of math and science. In the process they become very good at breaking problems down. When an engineering student graduates and is asked to design products they are going to make products that meet specifications, that will not break and can be manufactured. They are not very good at making products people want to use. I guess sometimes industrial designers think that they can do design engineers jobs because if a product does not require calculations then the education an engineer has completed has really only indirect benefits. These indirect benefits include being able to break down a problem very well and understanding physics much better than their Industrial design counterpart. An industrial designer could not be a design engineer at a place that sells lifting beams because that requires calculations to make sure the beam does not break and no one dies. Design engineering in my opinion is applied science and math.
Industrial designer’s education teaches them how to create experiences that connect with the products user. Industrial designers do this through understanding the users’ needs and wants. They create objects that are aesthetically pleasing easy to use and ergonomic. They learn how to innovate and create new products that solve users’ needs and wants. Engineers do not have the training to make aesthetically pleasing objects. They are much more focused on what makes the most logical sense in terms of money savings and physics. Since emotions are not logical engineers can completely ignore emotions therefore making products that no one wants to use.
I do not think that designers and engineers understand the need for the other profession because they think so differently. Doctors have the same med school education then they break off into specialties. An industrial designer might be focused on art his whole life and then majors in industrial design. An engineering student might be focused on math and sciences his whole life then majors in engineering. There is little overlap in education.
Both Engineers and Designers can be very innovative, but one deals with user experience and the other deals with making things work. There is a little overlap, but without training in both nether can come close to being able to do what the other does. A lot of people have talked about the importance of the intersection of humanities and the sciences. When you combine engineers and designers that is what you get. Both are most effective when they work collaboratively together.


Joe Martone
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01/23/17 11:20 AM
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I have been an industrial designer for more than 25 years and hold BS in Industrial Design and hold an MBA from Rensselaer Poly Tech. I have led global teams of designers and engineers and I an expert in materials and processes. Finally, I have developed products across numerous industries and hold more than 35 utility and design patents.
The title Industrial Design is confusing and often misunderstood. It is improper and offensive to describe Industrial Designers as the ones that "pretty things up".
For me, Industrial Design is the synthesis of engineering, design and business perspectives in the development of successful products. Success is measured in dollars but also in brand strengthening and consumer satisfaction. by these measures, I have been immensely successful.
If we were to turn the table (as devils advocate) an Industrial designer would say that a design engineer will refine the design (provided by ID) to ensure the most efficient use of material and details related to mold gating etc. Further, they must get permission to alter the design intent.
Please note that unlike engineering, Industrial Design is not "standerdized" and that different schools have vastly different programs that range from pure "art" to others that are founded in mechanical engineering. when evaluating a new hire for a project or a position, it is wise to gauge what skill set you need (perhaps based on our current capabilities) and evaluate the candidates body of work.
I suggest that there are many paths to new product development and that on requires a broad range of skills to not only cross the finish line, but to do so with grace. This may be the result of one or two highly (cross functionally) skilled people or by teams that collectively have these skills.
Finally, regarding draft.
Often, the first pass at a new design requires freedom to explore new structures, shapes, materials, mechanisms, etc.. Many Industrial Designers will provide "unencumbered" concepts (where draft and even assembly methodology is undetermined) to measure interest by the client or end user with an expectation of future refinement. This is NOT my approach or the approach of my staff. I hold that opportunities for creative solutions are revealed when one understands relevant molding/ forming and manufacturing constrains. It also saves time and money in the long run.
Thank you for the article, I agree that we need to clarify what these titles mean, but we must also avoid minimizing the importance of each other's expertise.
Best Regards.


Lavender Trails
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03/24/17 12:10 PM
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I found that both r incomplete without each other....still from customer's point of view they seem to contradict this fact.....but all I can say is an industrial designer needs to know the work of the other as well to make the design work but necessarily need not interfere in an engineer's work.

Product Design Space
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05/01/17 01:09 PM
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Your article is insightful. However, it is quite inaccurate to define a whole industry with your singular experience. Not all Industrial Designers are created equal. Many companies now hire industrial designers to be key strategists, design researchers, ethnographers, and business systems strategists. Their job is not to make anything look "pretty" or as you mention "dress it up." It is to do formulate the requirements of products, systems, and services from a human-centered POV. This comes before any engineering takes place.
As mentioned above in another review, it is somewhat offensive to the industry to say that an industrial designer's job is to just an "applied art" and "dress it up."
You may want to investigate companies such as BCGDV, Microsoft Inclusive Design, IDEO, Frog Design, Tesla, Smart Design, RCA, RISD, ArtCenter, Standford D-School, etc. They all convey a different definition and role for the Industrial Designer.

Tony Stark
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08/30/17 07:08 AM
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Ok, let's get the ubiquitous CV out of the way first: design engineer for far too long, company director, CAD expert and instructor, top grade degree from top university, patents, awards, customers included Automotive OEMs and leading product design consultancies, someone took a nice photo of me once. Currently taking a sabbatical from work to study a PhD, because those letters will look nice on my business card eventually.
In my experience you can always tell how creative a role is by how offended someone gets when you try to describe their profession in any simple terms (and I have many close friends and colleagues working in industrial design that would agree). Design engineers are less creative and therefore much more boring people. You wouldn’t want them at a dinner party, but they’d care less about getting an invite (and I have many close friends and colleagues working in engineering design that don’t get out much).
So, my simple definition: an industrial designer will produce a design, for a design engineer to ensure will work.
An engineer can design a product that will always work, but maybe no-one will ever want. Industrial designers will always design stuff that looks great and everyone wants, but you’re never sure if it will work. For that reason it’s best to have both. Try to be someone who thinks they’re good at both, and most top design consultancies will assume you’re not the best at either…and they’d be right
How much involvement each role will have is completely dependent on the product, the company or companies responsible for the design, and the industry. Each role will have specific talents that the other doesn’t either fully appreciate, or sometimes even know about (see above article), but they are both critical to successful projects.
Industrial designers are attention whores, engineers are just jealous they're not as pretty.
For a more detailed description look them up in Wikipedia, don’t pay too much attention to what either an industrial designer or a design engineer will tell you, because they generally have only got half the facts, and an overinflated opinion of themselves

Clark Smith
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11/29/18 03:03 AM
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